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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #76 on: September 17, 2013, 08:17:33 pm »
Newsday reported awhile ago they opened a new building dedicated to wireless technology.  Love to see positive growth!

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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2013, 12:39:33 am »
CEWIT - Center for Excellence in Wireless and Information Technology

That is located in the Stony Brook's Research & Development Park on Stony Brook Rd. Opened a few years ago.
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2014, 01:58:26 pm »
moved from the football thread:

i think the problem exists both with the university and with the students.  not sure who is more to blame.  the students are largely disaffected (but coming around slowly!) and dont stick around on weekends.  The U hasnt really done much to improve the social interaction (but coming around slowly!) on campus or off campus.  my contention is that if they stuck around, they'd go to games.

i think there are a lot of solutions to this problem:

-the U needs to build a "commons".  we have the union, but its garbage and no one wants to hang out there.  we need a square, or a commons, or a strip mall.  coffee shops, pubs, pizza, laundry, places to see and be seen.  they need to construct a "hangout" whether its private or university-operated. 

-the U should think about admitting students based on their school spirit and participation.  further, it might even want to consider taking more students that arent from the LIRR line and cant drive home easily every weekend (perhaps anything above westchester).  this will keep the problem though of students just sitting in their rooms every weekend, doing nothing.  sorry, tri-staters (of which i am one). 

-the U has plenty of land to develop, however, it HAS to be geographically correct.  put the activities in South P, and no one will show.  dont give anyone a reason.  port jeff is great; but its 3 miles away.  kids are lazier than ever today because they can text from the comfort of their dorm and watch anything on a laptop or phone.  in this day and age, technology and social media has made it harder for people to get off their arse.  attention spans are short.  social interaction (the way we know it) is waning.

-on the other hand, social media (i do NOT participate btw) needs to be used to get the word out.  why not use the technology that the kids use to connect with them?

-lets think about geography for a moment.  no one is going to hang around the engineering quad or harriman hall or the physics building, etc.  They might though at the Rec Center, or LaValle, etc.  We have a few spots where we can make this happen.  Im thinking develop the strip of land east of Mendelsohn Quad (bottom right, where the lake is: http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/dance/contact/dancemap2.jpg).  the kids can all walk there and hang out and buy stuff and do whatever and be close to home.  let private business come in and pay for it and develop it.

-the items above they need to add have to happen naturally.  meaning, it cant all be university-driven.  once you add them into the mix, it becomes not cool to 19 year olds.  let entrepreneurs and proprietors open up shops and gyms and apartments and whatnot and kids will follow.  thats what i think college kids want these days.  i love strawberries.  but the strawberry festival doesnt get me excited.  once i went to a foam party at the bench and lost my flip flops- THAT was exciting.

-we have to, absolutely have to, get all the freshmen all into a freshman dorm and create the experience.  make the apartments something to earn.  no more freshmen living amongst upperclassmen.  freshmen are different animals than seniors and they do not act the same.  build relationships early and keep them.  do it in the corridor style dorms where freshman have no privacy and meet easily. 

-less commuter students.  yeah they are great and all but they usually leave after class and dont add anything to the community.  is that harsh?  yes.  and i know, a lot of dormitory students dont add anything either.

-the students need to step it up and get involved.
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2014, 02:24:55 pm »
Thank you Chairman.  I for one agree that the school needs to make a better effort in getting the football games to be a destination "event" for the students.  regardless of whether they go home on the weekends, or if they are commuter students, they can "get" the spirit of football and return to the games because their friends will be there, and it will be a "good" and "safe" and "orderly" time.  Also, with the heavy influx of Asian and other forgein students to SB, I wonder if football is just not part of their culture, so they could care less about attending the games.  in my mind, Homecoming is a no-brainer, it should be heavily attended by the community and the students.  what is disappointing to me is to see the other home games at La Valle consist of about 1/2 capacity or less crowds. that is just outright pathetic.  when our kids roll into any other CAA venue, the stadiums are rocking. Even the Rhody game last year, that I attended, they had a near capacity crowd.  we can do better at SB, I challenge the school, the student body and the athletic department to find a way to get it done.

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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2014, 02:27:30 pm »
SBUPatriots and BFF- thanks for your thoughts.  i think all those on this particular forum know the answers- and they are right here.

lets run some rough #s, for Ss and Gs, why not.  these are arbitrary so it doesnt really matter if they are off or rounded, but feel free to amend and we can get this conversation rolling.

total students- 25k.  total undergrad? 18k.  total living on campus?  8-10k.  disregard for now those living off campus but not at home.  assume 25% in each class.  conservative estimate is 2k in each undergraduate class.

what would it take to fill up a pub?  a coffee shop?  a pedestrian square buzzing?  total, a few hundred kids MAX.  maybe 500 total.  that will create an atmosphere- thats what we need- an atmosphere. 

but it NEEDS to be geographically correct.  in one place, and close by.  again, get the kids into the Mendelsohn and G Quad and build it nearby.  DONT give them a reason not to show up.

now, with those 8-10k, think we can, at any given time, activate 500 kids?  perhaps throw in some commuters?  that can easily fill up a square.  and start to create that collegetown feel. 

for sports, your target should be ALL students with the understanding that the underclassmen are more into this.  its just the way it goes in college; students become disaffected with anything that isnt new; what with all the distractions in today's world. 

for the Arena, its seats 4k.  we should have no problem getting half that from the outside.  can we get 2k students?  unlikely, conservatively speaking.  but can we get 1k?  i think so.  that is a massive presence if seated all together, at a place like SB.  if there are 8-10k living on campus, can we get 1 in 8 to show up, and how?

for LaValle, slightly bigger problem, AND you have late fall weather in the northeast. 

corrections welcome.
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2014, 04:49:01 pm »
Its amazing... All the points that Chair stressed are basically things that I found in my visits to UConn. As everyone knows by now... my gf attends Connecticut.

Its amazing how good of a job UConn does to build school spirit. I remember her freshmen year they grouped all of the freshmen in the crappiest dorms on campus (North Quad)... so crappy that I told her "I would never live in such conditions"... But you know what? The kids didn't complain.... They *****ing loved it. Sh*t would get wild in North Quad and those kids surely build a great relationship early on. Additionally, it kept their expectations of college to a reasonable level. They started out in the worst dorms all together, so no complaints of bathrooms (because no one has seen any better), crappy ceilings, and small dorms.

One thing that I experienced at SBU, is that many students get so much (especially for the cheap price) yet they always remain dissatisfied with their college experience and that's because there is little spirit across the campus. If there is campus spirit you start to forget about the $15k tuition, the student loans, the small dorms, and the crappy classes you have to deal with,  etc, etc.

So yes, the responsibility lies on the University to build an environment that promotes unity and spirit across the student body. The few of us that came out of Stony Brook with tons of school pride are those that were either marching band, involved in clubs, attended athletic events, and build strong friendships. The University has to take charge. I'm afraid that getting USG involve its only going to make things worst. Students are not gonna like the fact that all freshmen are grouped together in one quad and they'll probably vote against it. Some decisions to make improvements need to be made unilaterally.

Also, when it comes to dining halls. God sakes... Stony Brook can do better. We are a research university with 10,000 students that live in campus. Screw the itemized system they have in place that pretty much its meant to serve the commuter. Make it all-you-can eat  buffet so that students don't starve at the end of the semester. Change the dining hall system to avoid the long lines to get your food and then another long line to pay for your food. These things impact the community, and trust me, it makes a difference. By the time most kids graduate, they hate Stony Brook and food has to do a lot with it.

I can say that taking those trips to UConn those weekends made me more proud of Stony Brook because Stony Brook a ton of potential to improve, its a great school with even a better reputation than a school like UConn. But we just have to a better job at selling it. I myself set out to build some school spirit, and to mobilize my friends to attend the games and get involved. We had a blast, we got trashed, but those memories will never fade. But the average stony brook student never experiences that.

One additional thought is: Stony Brooks needs to become more diverse in its selection of students. I understand the school's mission is to serve Long Islanders... But its a public state university. It should be targeting kids from Western New York, The Capital District, Central New York and the Lower Hudson Valley... focusing on NYC kids and Long Islanders who live 30mins-2hrs away from home kills the vibe on campus.

My best buddies in college came from the middle-of-nowhere-NY.... it doesn't matter whether they are asian americans or whatever... those people party too but they need to come from other areas of NY, not just downstate. Also, I don't mind having a sizable international community. Those international kids actually get quite involved. My rommie was from Bangladesh, and I had a ton of fun with that guy. We drank, we smoked, we studied, we partied, it was awesome

Lastly: Please please. Demolish the current Student Union. A school like Stony Brook should have a respectable center for student life. The current union is disgusting, and it really summarizes student life at Stony Brook. We can do better. I mean, look at our peers (Penn State, UMass, Maryland, Ohio State, UCLA, UC Berkeley, UConn) with the impressive Student Unions while we have a crappy old building. That building is beyond repair and the administration is looking to make a renovation instead of knocking it down.

Make a new Union 3 or 4x the current size where you can house an impressively large food court (for a school with 24k students), make it the home of USG, add a sports TV lounge, Game room, ballroom, a legit Friday night movie screen, etc, etc. The current union is a perfect location (near the arena and stadium) so it can be built there again


Not everything is depressing though. We have achieved a lot since I first became a freshman back in 2007. I'm extremely proud of Stony Brook's accomplishments and I wouldn't change my experience at SBU for nothing. But there is no doubt that there is a lot work left to do. Stony Brook has the potential to be a Penn State or an Ohio State. Our academics are at par already, we just have to work on everything else that makes college memorable. As alumni, and community members its our job to be supportive also through athletic events, donations, and booster blogs, creating enthusiasm, and Rewriting wikipedia (has anybody looked at the makeover I've done to the Stony Brook related articles in wikipedia. I've put a lot of effort to write the articles in a neutral POV but with as much info as possible about the university)

I love SBU, and I'm sure we all do. So lets keep writing and maybe the administration takes a look at the board from time to time...
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #82 on: April 04, 2014, 05:33:43 pm »
Crazy Eddie- youve certainly earned the right to opine on this subject, if any of us have.  You did start this forum!

Yes, the Union needs to go the way of the bridge- wrecking ball.  But i would hope they dont put up another super modern glass building; again, i dont think thats what kids want to see.  Budgets are tight; but they arent necessarily less expensive than the old brick and mortar.  We mustnt forget kids look at imagery when they read brochures for college... we are being compared to our peers.  They are the standard.  Make it happen.

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You really cant put a price tag on this. 

Apartments are great (i lived in Kelly).  But they are less social and kids are holed up in their rooms and dont interact like they do in corridors.  Dont all other colleges put freshmen in corridors?  Yes!  There's a reason why and we need to follow.  Most other colleges the kids live in the dorm one year and out.  This is not a time to lead; its a time to follow.

Regarding the food- which i honestly didnt think was all that bad during my days- another reason to bring in the private vendors.  There is room to build.  Lets do it. 



Knocking down the Union solves two problems- one is knocking down the Union- the other is it frees up space for this campus square i keep talking about.  Plenty of space, right near the quads (that i think should become the freshmen quads) and just away from the center of campus.  Think of the atmosphere, during a football game and kids are around the union, hearing the crowd from just nearby, game telecast on TVs, etc. 

I keep talking about geography, and yes, its going to be tough for the kids living in the back of Tabler to get all the way over there.  Maybe improve the bus system, i dunno.  I never got on it. 

I also agree on taking a more diverse selection of students.  The less kids we have from outside of the tristate area, the more out of place kids from upstate (or anywhere else) will feel.  State tuition there; take advantage.  Buffalo does.  Albany does.  Bingo does.  Again, time to follow, not lead.

Regarding diversity, i actually remember the U being extremely diverse.  Problem though, walking through the Union especially during Campus Lifetime, or the Bench, Academic Mall, etc, everyone was cliqued off with people of their own color.  Thats fine and all, just saying i thought diversity wasnt the problem, its refusal to integrate thats the problem!

And yes, the U has come a LONG way in the last 10 years.  They really really really need a person, who is an alum, and young, and understands the issue, to run with the campus life experience improvement.  They keep going wrong here.  I dont think budgeting or space is the issue.  Its the bad decisions the admin makes, the university-sponsored anything, the wrong people in these roles, and student inactivity. 
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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #83 on: April 04, 2014, 09:22:20 pm »
This forum is  really has grown  I went to   Buffalo State years ago.  Their  Student Union of today is gorgeous. They really did a nice job  and they are a state  college not a global research university.  Things can change at SBU  we just need voices.  If you go on the Buff St virtual  tour  check out the union which is still the center of campus life.

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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #84 on: April 05, 2014, 02:03:22 am »
Give me $500 million bucks and I'll change the Brook forever with an "Iron fist". LOL. We need another one like president Kenny who actually cared about how things looked and building spirit in addition to academics. We also need lots of money, yes, sorry chair, I do think this is also a funding problem. It is impossible to build a comprehensive plan for the future of the university with lack of funds. We need the state to make one shot investment for the Brook (like $250-750 mil project) to change the face of the University.

I did a terrible paint job here but bear with me here. Look at the attachment.

I came up with a quick project based on a few things.

A) a brand new state of the art Stony Brook Union in a centralized location of campus with quick access from the South Dorm Communities (Kelly, West, Roosevelt, Tabler) and from the North Campus (H-Quad, Mendi, and the future residential quad next to Wang Center)

B) A Student Union that faces a "Central Alley" of the State University. Most Universities in the nation have a main alley, a main mall with a long patch of grass. Its traditional, its beautiful, and it allows the student to easily walk from the west end to the east end of the academic campus. The Central Alley should be overhauled so that it is a consistent, long, straight patch of grass from the Administration Building (all the way in the East end) to the potential future Union (in the extreme west).

C) The Student Union will be only a short walk from our brand new renovated arena and Kenneth P. LaValle Stadium. You know what that means? after every big win, all hell will break lose at the Student Union. Stony Brook nation will descend all over the Union to fulfill their hunger or their desire for more fun. The perfect place for all the wolves to meet and have a good time

D) The Earth and Space Science Building must go. Its disgusting, its old, its breaking apart, and it blocks the academic mall from the west side of campus. The building should be demolished so that that end of campus can be opened up for the future Union. Replace the ESS with a big patch of grass right in front of the potential union.

E) New academic Buildings can be constructed in the patch of forest directly next to the ESS building. But it must absolutely respect and fit in with the Central Alley.

F) Directly in front of the Stony Brook Arena, and sandwiched in between the Physics building and the SBU Arena in that large patch of grass we should build a brand new Stony Brook University Marketplace. Here, a three floor state of the art complex that will house the Stony Brook Seawolves Athletics Store, a large student bookstore, and a students convenience store. After every game, make sure that store is open so that kids can throw their money away on jerseys.

G) Where the current Student Union lies. Demolish that piece of crap and build something else there. We can build an academic building, a dining hall... or actually, my favorite - even a better idea: a nice and fancy building were we can house the Stony Brook Foundation and the Stony Brook University Alumni Association. Here is where all the alumni are gonna THROW their money away. This Alumni association should be hunting down every alumnus of the University. Milking everyone's pockets for a better future for the University.

H) Overhaul of John S. Toll Drive to make it more student friendly. Build a line of trees along the road so that students don't have to see the service facilities in the west side of the road every time they walk up and down the road. John S. Toll Drive should become the center of life for Stony Brook students. Everything cool should be down that road (Stony Brook Union, Stony Brook Arena, Stony Brook Rec Center, Stony Brook Marketplace, Staller Center Films, Alumni Association, Wang Center, maybe some sorority/frat houses can be built at the end of this road near the Mendy quad)

I) Near the main entrance of THE State University of New York at Stony Brook we should build a nice "Stony Brook Visitor Center". This should be the first encounter for every visitor of the university. All future students, parents, community members should first walk into the Stony Brook University visitor center. This is important... as of now, current first time visitors walk into the Administration building (really? what kinda of first impression is that?)

BOYSSSSSS. THIS IS HOW YOU BUILD A FLAGSHIP STATE UNIVERSITY FOR THE MASSES! Who's gonna hand me the money? :)





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« Reply #85 on: April 05, 2014, 02:31:04 am »
Maybe we can put these ideas on paper and start lobbying. We can do it right. We are nice group of passionate fans of Stony Brook. We can send out emails. No? Wouldn't it be great...
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« Reply #86 on: April 05, 2014, 03:24:31 am »
We can't even repair the steps leading up to gym and its been like this way for  1 or even two years.  Nothing says welcome like yellow police tape. ;D

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Re: Making SB better- Idea Thread
« Reply #87 on: April 05, 2014, 05:08:58 pm »
good to see there is someone as crazy as i am...

i like a lot of these ideas and i encourage more.  crazy eddie yes money is an issue but we have an annual budget; its time to manage it better, which is to say we have matters of more urgency than others.  its mismanaged just like our federal, state, and local govt. 

today i saw mud and dirt fields everywhere.  its unsightly and needs to be fixed.  the SB Arena is unbelievable though.  and there are big plans for the atrium just outside the main entrance. 

i think before they spend on anything- they need to marshal resources and improve the social atmosphere.  that means, to me, things like the visitor center are great, but room and $ should be used to create a college town.  visitor center is a great idea though.

youre right that the union should be more centered and the area where ESS is is a great idea.  and yes it does block the academic mall!  they can even move that parking lot easily, as, its a parking lot.  grass or new union sounds great to me.  yes it needs to be more centered to the south dorms, and thats the perfect spot near the arena.  and when they condemn the union, that will open up more prime space.  pubs and restaurants?  houses?   >:(

agreed on making the academic mall grass.  sure it will raise maintenance costs but this is one of those things that has to be done.  example:



we can afford to knock down a building here and there.  we have more than enough buildings to house students temporarily while one gets flattened. 

for F, they are planning on putting an SB athletics store in the atrium where the old concessions are in the arena.  it should be connected to the arena.

also i agree that we need an alumni association, but not yet, not at the cost of something can improve the social interaction of current students at the brook.  i love your idea of replacing the union with houses, pubs, cafes, restaurants, etc.  Your idea to overhaul toll drive is great too.  it should be a destination; not a thoroughfare.

we have to dream it before it becomes a plan.

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« Reply #88 on: April 05, 2014, 05:16:38 pm »
those last two posts were UVa, UNC, and UNC Greensboro.  Here is Syracuse:



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« Reply #89 on: April 05, 2014, 11:38:06 pm »
Really something to work toward !